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Flat Giraffers
flatlander

why does the same sort of neck get a different explanation?

The physiology paragraph says ostriches “use their neck to hide within the sand”. Put that premise aside for a second and look at the job assigned to each neck. One long neck supposedly gets the animal down into cover. The other is explained as a way of reaching up.

Whenever I ask why a giraffe needs that much neck, I get told that long necks exist in nature. Fine. Why does the comparison stop just before the behavior?

nailbrush
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A similar part does not require identical behavior. You would have to say which feature makes hiding a necessary use of the neck.

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flatlander
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Then pointing at another long-necked animal does not explain this one. It just makes the silhouette feel less exceptional.

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mothproof
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There is another jump here. A neck being capable of a movement and an animal using that movement to hide are separate claims. Which one is the alleged omission?

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flatlander
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The behavior. The paragraph says the fabrication neglected it. I am not asking somebody to find a hinge in the photograph.

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cansleeve
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That is why I find this objection stronger as a question about the explanation than as a test you could apply to a single picture. A picture can show a neck. It cannot show what somebody forgot to design.

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mudlark
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I am not conceding the ostrich premise yet. The picture and the sentence are being treated as though they establish the same thing.

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windowseat
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the picture makes the giraffe look like the version that forgot to crouch. i would like to see the two animals compared at ground level instead of both posed upright.

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Flat Giraffers
flatlander

Same patch, different decade

These are from Wrenfield's 2002 and 2015 visitor guides. Look at the dark fork halfway up the neck and the small pale notch underneath it.

Thirteen years, two different animals according to the captions, and they're still using the same pattern. I think we are looking at a covering that has been reused. I've circled the part I mean, not the entire animal.

vellum
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Those are different photographs. The rail and the head position are different. That doesn't tell you whether the animals are different.

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mothproof
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You've picked one patch. The three little ones beside it don't match.

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flatlander
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They could change individual pieces without throwing the whole covering away.

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rustred
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Then what would count as a different animal to you?

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flatlander
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Different main pattern. Not every mark has to be identical for you to recognize it.

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flatlander
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Call it a similar pattern, then. I don't see why a picture is enough to identify the animal when the park prints it, but not when somebody compares it with another picture.

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ribbedglass
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I had that first guide. The giraffe got half a page and the toilets got an entire foldout.

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Flat Giraffers
flatlander

the unicorn comparison is about acceptance

The comparison to the unicorn is not saying Scotland has a secret breeding population. It is pointing out that an animal can become an official fact without people asking whether there is an animal behind it.

We put the label in an official place and then treat the official place as confirmation of the label. That is what interests me about zoo signs too.

marl
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A national symbol is not a biological claim. People can understand the unicorn as a symbol without believing it lives there.

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flatlander
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Then you agree it can have an official position without an animal. That is the comparison.

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brickwork
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A sign with a scientific name makes people stop asking who chose the picture.

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teaspoon
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I have definitely used a label as reassurance before looking at the thing below it. I do it in museums as well.

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nailbrush
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There is still a step between trusting a label and proving fabrication. I would rather see that step discussed than another list of imaginary animals.

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linen
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People put the unicorn on things with a straight face. I don’t understand why this part bothers you more than that.

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In Big Zoo · why does the zoo argument end with giraffes?

flatlander
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Replying to nailbrush

It is not being offered alone. The climate claim asks what accepting the animal does to the picture of its environment. This one asks what accepting it does to the picture of the institution.

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In Flat Giraffers · why is the animal allowed to outlive its explanation?

flatlander
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The neck is the convenient feature every explanation gets to use. It is apparently wrong to infer too much from it until the next explanation needs a very clear example.

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In Flat Giraffers · the climate argument is about what we are asked to accept

flatlander
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Replying to wrenched

And people repeat the habitat explanation themselves. Nobody has to put a statement under every photograph once the viewer supplies it.

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In Side Quests · found a small one

flatlander
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How small?

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In Big Zoo · the height is doing two jobs

flatlander
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It would not need to record everything. Knowing who stops and who comes back could be useful on its own.

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In Flat Giraffers · Who signed off on that height?

flatlander
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Replying to nailbrush

A person can leave the hill. They're keeping these things in enclosures.

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In Flat Giraffers · why does the same sort of neck get a different explanation?

flatlander
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Replying to mothproof

The behavior. The paragraph says the fabrication neglected it. I am not asking somebody to find a hinge in the photograph.

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In Flat Giraffers · why does the same sort of neck get a different explanation?

flatlander
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Replying to nailbrush

Then pointing at another long-necked animal does not explain this one. It just makes the silhouette feel less exceptional.

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In Flat Giraffers · Same patch, different decade

flatlander
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Replying to mothproof

Call it a similar pattern, then. I don't see why a picture is enough to identify the animal when the park prints it, but not when somebody compares it with another picture.

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In Flat Giraffers · Same patch, different decade

flatlander
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Replying to rustred

Different main pattern. Not every mark has to be identical for you to recognize it.

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In Flat Giraffers · Same patch, different decade

flatlander
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Replying to mothproof

They could change individual pieces without throwing the whole covering away.

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In Flat Giraffers · the centre of gravity is the part nobody answers

flatlander
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Replying to nailbrush

I did not write the page. I said the explanation was wrong.

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In Flat Giraffers · the centre of gravity is the part nobody answers

flatlander
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Their problem is using gravity to explain it. The ground does not need to pull anything for an object to stay on it.

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In Flat Giraffers · the unicorn comparison is about acceptance

flatlander
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Replying to marl

Then you agree it can have an official position without an animal. That is the comparison.

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In Big Zoo · that’s my mum talking. she wasn’t there that day.

flatlander
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The signs probably say they film people

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In Flat Giraffers · three zoos. the same sneeze.

flatlander
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At what point does an instinct become a permitted word for a routine

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In Paper Trails · it was under lost animals in the older edition

flatlander
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If Voss was making the one in the circus paper, who decided that counted as finding the species again?

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In Paper Trails · it was under lost animals in the older edition

flatlander
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They replaced the explanation with the photograph

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In Flat Giraffers · he was seventeen when i was in primary school

flatlander
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They picked an age and nobody remembered it was supposed to change

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